So a female mp, wants all males DNA testing. so without any evidence she knows a man did this and not a woman ?
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Ah yes, the NuLab man-hating feminist speaks. All men in Bristol are presumed to be guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent. A single crime and men lose their basic hman rights. I don't think so, but this is an insight into the NuLab attitude towards men.
Yes, give YOUR DNA - not the MP's (I note). Next, it will be on some database requested by US authorities and what then? A low copy match in some terror plot has US authorities trying to extradite a UK citizen who has never even been in the US. This will happen, or similar - don't laugh - give away your personal and private data and watch it being misused with no controls at a later date...
You may as well swab the entire country, and keep everyone's DNA on file - since there is no guarantee that her killer is still in Bristol, or even the UK. But you can count me out, thanks. I wasn't stupid enough to be in the UK...
Whilst I agree that the most important thing is that Miss Yeates killer is found as soon as possible. What gives this woman the right to ASSUME that the killer is a man.
My condolences to the family, boyfriend and friends of Jo. I feel I must comment on the remark of the MP. Why does she assume the culprit is a man? And, why does she think this mass sampling will result in the police being swamped with help from the male population of Bristol, assuming the culprit is from Bristol? I can only assume this mass sampling is for elimination purposes and then I must assume that the samples will be destroyed. Yeah right! The police enjoy the same level of trust as MP's. Another reason why it is a mistake to allow the young to run a country. The thinking is not joined -up.
Anyone else think this is getting a bit much now? This murder is terrible, yes, but people get murdered every day, all of which are equally as devastating to the families and friends as this case is. Why are all of them not getting this much attention?
It could of been a woman that did it...
A lot will depend on the nature of the DNA sample found on Jo Yeates, but any DNA testing should concentrate on friends, social acquaintances and work colleagues first ... and, one way or another, the answer will be found in the CCTV footage taken on the Clifton Bridge ...
The assumption is that she has been killed by a man then! Typical labour feminist who hasn't considered what happens to the test results once the inquiry is over, added to the police database no doubt.
Surely it would be in everyones interests if DNA was taken at birth - Crimes would be so much easier to solve especially with regards Rape And Murder.
What a brilliant idea because (a) the police haven't (as far as we know) found DNA from the alleged killer and (b) the alleged killer could only be a man from Bristol.
And what's going to happen to these quarter of a million DNA samples afterwards ? Do you *really* believe that a national police mindset which created the existing DNA database by the backdoor of ACPO, and which feels that it's OK to keep for years the personal data of anyone foolish enough to contact them on any trivial matter, is really going to destroy this information ? It comes as no surprise that this idea comes from the mouth of a Labour MP - the party which wanted to bring you ID cards for all, national identity databases, which had to be ordered by the European Court to reduce it's illegal collection of DNA from all and sundry. Making political capital on the back of private tragedy in this way is simply shameful.
So the police has nothing.
and does she think the murderer will stay in Bristol and obligingly w3ait for his DNA to be taken???!!!
Typical Labour - nothing but utter contempt for civil liberties and individual freedom. The Big Brother party always advocates stomping on the rights of the individual - unless of course you are black, asian or muslim, in which case, you can do pretty much as you please.
Usual nonsense from Liebour , what if the killer is outwith Bristol and what if it was a woman killer although that is unlikely.I hope the find the killer soon but DNA testing everyone is not the way to go.
Silly. So what if she was killed by a woman?
DNA testing should be carried out, there will be a hue and cry from the tree huggers etc, But if you have nothing to hide there will be no problem.
Great idea, ask for volenteers to come forward and give samples, then hunt down those who don't. If there are no results then go back to the volenteers. This process of elimination will save time and money.All decent people who have nothing to hide should come foward now.
A bit extreme and over the top methinks. Innocent until proven guilty and why just the men why not woman as well they are just as capable as men to commit murder. Ms Mc Carthy is making assumption that the perpertator is a man and that is wrong it could be either gender. She is obviously a man hater.
I thought she was strangled, are only men capable of doing this?
As tragic as this is for the family of this girl, this is simply not acceptable and most likely unlawful. Utterly disgusting that the powers that be should use this sad event as an opportunity to further their Totalitarian agenda. Hopefully they will find the real culprit without resorting to this. They have NO RIGHT to do this and you have EVRY RIGHT to tell them "NO".
The Police will take DNA from my dead body and not before.
250,000 swabs - the woman is a lunatic! Why not the rest of the male population?
Given that as far as I am aware there is no evidence Jos killer was a man, why is Kerry McCarthy campaigning so hard to have herself excluded from the DNA tests - where was she on the night Jo disappeared? As far as I am aware A&SC do not have a sample of thekillers DNA so what exactly will all these DNA tests achieves? Hopefully the police know a bit more about murder investigations than MPs.
Shame on you, Kerry McCarthy! Jumping on the bandwagon to score some political points. Everybody wants to find Jo's killer, but to then to take the DNA profile of 250,000 men (and keep them on record for a future Big Brother State, no doubt) will bring a heck of a lot of misery to everyone. And what about the women in Bristol; surely they could be just as guilty? Once again, Kerry MacCarthy...SHAME ON YOU!
good idea except, I cant see any of the illegal immigrants coming forward for a DNA test... that's the problem, there are far to many illegals in the UK, with no tractability, who commit a crimes and get away with it, or scream human rights if they get caught.
Absolutely any excuse to gather more data on people for Big Brothers files from the crooked New World Order internationalist politicians. Their sinicism is truly breath taking. How many other unsolved murders are there in the UK and where do you suppose this will all end? How many people would ever consider buying a second hand car from any single one of the members of The Houses of Corruption?
Yeah, right - another sneaky way to get 250,000 innocent people onto the police database where they will remain forever. And what if the perpetrator doesn't live in Bristol anyway? What a waste of time and money that would be. People literally get away with murder every day in this country. I know it's tragic and terrible for the families, but really - what's so special about this particular victim compared to all the others? Why does she merit mass DNA-testing where others don't?
Not only is this strange suggestion against our freedom it is also incredibly sexist! Ms McCarthy seems to be labouring under the illusion that only a man could have done this terrible deed. Women, it seems, according to her do not murder or even get involved in it. It may be that a man DID kill this woman but it is equally true that a woman may have done it or have been involved. In which case one would have to take the DNA of EVERY person in Bristol!
As a male living in Bristol, I will refuse to be DNA tested. I am not a suspect purely because I am going about living my life in some place with hundereds of thousands of other people. Why not DNA test everyone, and set up a camera in their house? If we've done nothing wrong, we have nothing to fear right? While I feel so incredibly sorry for Jo and her parents for their loss, and it makes me uneasy as a Clifton resident to know such a human being is probably in my neighbourhood, this is just a dangerous shunt down the slippery slope we are already on to an Orweillian world. If the police do their job effectivley, such ridiculous measures won't be neccessary.
Forgive me and I do not wish to insult the memory or family and loved ones of Jo Yeates, but I am find the dispropotionate coverage of this murder repellant. Had Jo not been a pretty, middle class, white woman living in an exclusive neighbourhood, the coverage and outrage would have been negligible.
But why only swab men? Sounds very sexist. Women can be violent too!
Taking DNA swaba from people is all well and good. But once the killer is found then all the remaining DNA swabs should be destroyed. But what happens is these innocent swabs are kept and that would be totally wrong.
The first thing that needs to happen is the news needs to stop reporting what the detectives are doing and let them do their job! All the good reporting every tiny detail of the case does is helps the killer stay ahead. Those crucial items such as the pizza and sock may never be found because they have been over reported on, and anyone in posession of them would have long since got rid of them, even if they are trophies. I believe only infomation that the public needs to know, for our own safety, or a description of the suspect along with cctv and appeals for witnesses should be handed to the media, everything else should be kept secret to prevent the criminal from obtaining too much info. This kind of report could well lead to a guity man leaving the Bristol area knowing he will be DNA tested, they can't test every man in the country! Also, everyone's looking for a male killer, what if it is a female? or if there is more than one person involved?
And the killer of course has to be male? fine DNA test all men in Bristol what if they aren't from Bristol?
Test all men in the Bristol Area??? No sexual motive??? Could this be a female killer?? Do the Police know it is not??
Who's saying DNA samples are going onto a database. They take the swab, test it, no match, throw it away - end of. Several hundred pounds each? Get a grip. You say you believe it simply because a Police officer told you so. The Police aren't telling us half the things they know about this story. It took them a week after finding her to tell us she was missing a sock. They have mass DNA tested before which has led to a conviction. Once they have hard evidence to suggest that the killer(s) are from Bristol, every DNA test complete moves them closer to yet another conviction. Wherever the killer is, and whoever he is - I bet they're keeping a close eye on every media outlet relevant to this case and If I were them I'd be really starting to panic. Hand yourself in before you get hunted down.
So the police know that a man committed the murder. What evidence do they have?
There are supposed to be 500 registered sex offenders in the area she was killed, they will all be on the DNA database test them first. Then test against all the local criminals of Bristol using relational analysis as well. Then test all those people with mobile phones that triggered cell masts in the area. You'll get the person. As for this politician all give my sample if she'll give hers.
In this world and in this time EVERYONE should be DNA tested including visitors to these shores. All our other details are on file anyway with HMRC and it is stupid that our DNA records aren't on file and immediately accessible.
Would everyone stop for a moment and simply think through the actual practicalities here. Even if 99% of the stated 250,000 male population of the area stepped forward and said yes, fine, that still leaves 1% or 2,500 people who would need to be traced and interviewed. Bear in mind also that even if they were then interviewed and accounted for their movements around the time of the murder then that "alibi" would need to be checked and confirmed. How much valuable time and effort would all that interviewing and checking take away from the real enquiry. And what about the single males who did nothing more than sat quitely at home watching TV that night. Does no corroboration of that "alibi" mean they are then a suspect ? Finally, all this assumes that Council tax and Electoral Rolls are bang up to date. Why not simply let the experienced Detectives do their job. Grandstanding like this must be an upseting distraction for the family
To those asking why the police seemed to have ruled out that a woman could have done it: well, if they want to take DNA samples, they must already have DNA of the culprit to test it against...and that will have told them the gender.
Surely if the murderer can read/hear/watch media outlets he would hear this story and get out of Bristol...
Scary,very very scary
I would not be happy to give a DNA sample like this. I don't feel it's fair that someone should have to rule themselves out of an investigation, like they could be guilty. And as said in the comments above, I don't think the police would destroy the samples when I was found innocent.
What's to say the killer even lives in Bristol or any near to that area? He could come from another country for all the police know.
What a shame statsi police tactics (undoubtedly a hallmark of 13 years of Nu Liebour) have become a source of suspicion for Joe Public. In the absence of remnants of these control freaks, I'm sure the vast majority would addopt the attitude....'if you are innocent, you have nothing to hide'. But periods of left wing control have always produced the opposite desired effect.
Definitely agree with D.NA. test. Any thing that will catch this killer quickly and protect other women is a good thing. I should think the odds are heavily weighted towards a male suspect and they should be tested first. When women can't go about their daily life, and they are frightened in their own community then it should be a priority to use this test. Why waste precious time and maybe allow another crime?
T"here should be a national DataBase of DNA kept. All males reaching the age of say 18, should as a matter of course supply a DNA sample. Those that say its goes against civils liberties should get real and take their heads out of their bottoms. If you have nothing to hide why hide it in the first instance. Cost, and logistics would no doubt deny it from happening, but one day it will happen - Selwyn Edwards, Wrexham, North Wales, 09/1/2011 15:12" Why stop at that. Why not have everyone- male and female- fitted with a tracking device so that their whereabouts can be immediately established in the event of any crime being committed. If you have nothing to hide why hide your whereabouts in the first instance..... But of course most reasonable people would quite rightly object to living in such a police state- thankfully!
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked. - jessie, scotland, 09/1/2011 15:18 Definately a man then is it?
To all the people asking stupidly; "Why assume it is a male they are looking for!"... Do you honestly think, the police have released every single detail of the murder to the press? Well do you? What forensic evidence do you think they have, that would suspect a male??? Now go back to watching Poirot, or Miss Marple, and leave the Policing to the Police.
blackburn murder in the 50`s of a young baby ... every male was fingerprinted...result... the murderer was caught.......DO IT ..DNa all males in bristol...
How long is it going to take to check the DNA of everybody in Bristol, it shouldn't be just men. A badly thought through idea from someone trying to get publicity.
@Selwyn Edwards, You need to smell the coffee! The UK has already become a Big Brother society and once everyone's DNA is on record, the police farce & Government can use it for anything they like. And anyone who thinks they wouldn't is a fool.
This is ridiculous! Using up so many resources on one murder. Given time relevant information will turn up which can then be followed. Re the DNA , this cannot be justified, taking up valuable police time is wrong as is taking DNA from every man in Bristol. Human rights should be against the taking on D.N.A. on all the men in a town or city.
What if the murderer isn't from or in Bristol? Is not from or even any longer in Britain? And perhaps, not even male? I'm all for catching the killer, but 2 of these 3 questions are very valid, and make the testing worthless......Sorry.
There's only one thing more stupid than an MP - that's right, a Labour MP. Who decided that the the perpetrator was a man? And that he lives in Bristol?
Um, no. No, no, no. Because frankly, (a) there''s no probable cause, (b) this is not a reasonable request, (c) the killer may have been a woman!, (d) the killer may have just been passing through the area, (e) I don't trust the police to not discard the samples immediately after testing, and (f) I especially don't trust them if they announce they're going to keep such samples. My heart goes out to the family, but this is an unreasonable, ridiculous request.
The UK has around 2 murders per day on average. Why does the murder of one pretty 25 year old woman provoke calls for every man in Bristol to be DNA tested? Is her life more valuable than other victims or is this just some opportunistic MP pandering to local popularism? Steven Quas , Hamburg
Initially I think all friends and relations should be tested
Good grief Janey of Bristol, what on earth are you suggesting/ Maybe we should all have numbers sewn into the skin too like the Nazis did? Your comments literally disgust and astound me.
How many times has it emerged that a body dumped in the middle of nowhere was put there by a woman? I cannot think of one single case. - janey, Bristol, 9/1/2011 13:45 Myra Hindley.
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked. - jessie, scotland, 09/1/2011 15:18 well suppose it isnt any on in th area...or maybe an illegal migrant...or someone who has left the country?how do you know it is a man...or maybe someone under age? the record of loss of personal data by the authorities is scandalous and rthey would use this opportunity to gather even more that would be kept on file. the police keep details of people who report crimes which is wrong. so the answer is definately no...its just lazy policework...and dna doesnt necessarily work as a science anyway... on the other hand maybe its a Scot...so perhaps you would like to be the first to volunteer?
So, it's definitely a man that killed her then? Or should DNA samples of all Bristol WOMEN be taken also?
Sorry I know I posted just now, but a mass DNA swab like this of 250,000 people, even if one of those people was guilty, that's 249,999 innocent people they have the DNA of. You can guarantee it wouldn't be destroyed afterwards.
Statistically men are far more likely to carry out murders, I remember a debate with a friend who reckoned all men should have their DNA on the database from birth. Anyway, it doesn't matter the government is shutting down the Forensic Science Service, the only company with the capacity to do such large scale testing. Enjoy your freedom criminals, the ConDems don't care.
People are really concerned when something like this happens, and normally will offer to do anythng they can to help.......unless it slightly invades their privacy. Why should you be concerned about having your DNA and fingerprints on a register if you have nothing to fear?? A national database like that would help to catch criminals quicker, prevent police wasting man hours endlessly searching for clues to the criminal(s) and hopefully stop police arresting the wrong person and ruining their reputations (in the example of alleged rape or other wrongly accused sex offences). It's pathetic people whining about 'invasion of privacy' and their 'rights' in this matter - what about Jo Yeates' rights??
I really don't understand why people who are in favour of a national dna database are all being red arrowed. Surely, if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't be worried!! I for one am all for it!!! Now red arrow me, too!
What if he doesn't reside in Bristol? What if it is not a man? Sounds expensive and another innocent quarter million archived by the police?
Men may have been willing to be DNA tested in their thousands back in 1996, before the government decided to swell the DNA database by any means, fair or foul. Back then, there was no reason to suppose it was anything but an elimination exercise and anything irrelevant would ultimately be destroyed (was it?). Today we are understandably suspicious about a call for mass DNA testing and how these samples will be treated after this case is closed. Back in 1996, the killer was found because he evaded the DNA testing. In 2011, many more will "evade" a DNA test on grounds of distrust, and the killer (if he lives in Bristol and is called for a test) will be able to hide among a crowd of perhaps thousands. This is the inevitable result of government/police treatment of the innocent public over the years. A sad state of affairs. If you do not draw a line between the innocent and guilty, it becomes impossible to separate them.
Silly. So what if she was killed by a woman? - Ola, Lagos, 9/1/2011 11:02 If they want a DNA sample from people I imagine they must have found some (Male) DNA to compare it to! Otherwise, what would be the point in collecting the DNA?
Here is another proposal: Let's DNA all male babies at birth and neuter them before puberty.
Only an opinion, but pizza and cider seem more likely to be bought for a visiting female friend rather than a male. - Sash, North country, 10/1/2011 0:37 Interesting that you say that. I actually felt the opposite. And as a previous article said, she texted an old male friend an invitation to join her for a drink before she bought them, so I am guessing she purchased them anticipating that he might.
If the newspapers keep reporting what the police are doing, then the killer/s will also be aware so what's to stop them from moving to another area to avoid having their DNA checked in Bristol?
Firstly, I don't think it's legal to force people to give DNA and secondly, I don't think the police farce And/or Big Brother could be trusted to destroy those records afterwards. I've left the UK, so won't be affected but despite my being the most law abiding person in the world, I sure as hell wouldn't be prepared to give my DNA without a legal fight. I feel terribly sorry for Jo & her family but an enforced DNA database is definitely NOT the way to go and the idiot MP should know that....... but of course, he's one of the Big Brothers that RULE the British people, isn't he!
That is a hopeless and an outrageous ask from the Met. And they will sure keep those DNA record till the end of time! If their ask was generally logical I would surely believe that everyone in the UK must have his/her DNA stored in the Met's record by now. Bristol police you gotta think again for God's sake.
A single DNA test is expensive- several hundred pounds each(I have heard this from the horse's mouth, a police officer when I myself was the victim of a crime and DNA tests were required.) To swab potentially 250,000 people would cost many millions of pounds and may not, as has been suggested, end the hunt for the killer, thereby not saving money, if the killer is not caught through this method(e.g. they live outside of the Bristol area.) If the person responsible isn't caught, then the investigation would continue, costing even more than it would have done if the swabs hadn't been taken.
Mcheecha spain Yes i agree, but unfortunately the minority of people would like to be able to achieve underhand behaviour, so for them and for them only, we live in a PC World (well the UK anyway!!) and we must cowtow, appease and make sure they are very very happy!!! I know this may sound topsy turvey to you, but trust me, to me also!!!
Imagine if they actually did this, imagine the cost of the whole task. you would have to swab test everyone in the uk once everyone else got on the bandwaggon for other crimes commited over the country, a 10yr old could have came up with this idea its absoloutley pathetic, I can't believe an MP could even ask such a mamouth task, and for those that think its a good Idea ! then go and pay to put yourselves on the database. This country is in enough Debt as it is without finding us more !!!!!!!!!
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked.
I used to think if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear but there are so many people that are innocent and found guilty now a days that I dont trust anything the police say anymore, they would wrangle any cock and bull story just to get a conviction and there is very little the innocent person can do about it until maybe years later when all the with held evidence then comes out and proves them innocent. The best thing is to have no communication with the police what so ever unless a solicitor is present, and if they ask for DNA evidence only give it if you have a solicitor draw up a contract that it is too be destroyed as soon as the DNA evidence clears your name, otherwise you may find yourself being accused of robbing a shop that you had previously been shopping in several years later.
I may have missed something here but why do they assume it's a man?
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The first thing that needs to happen is the news needs to stop reporting what the detectives are doing and let them do their job! All the good reporting every tiny detail of the case does is helps the killer stay ahead. Those crucial items such as the pizza and sock may never be found because they have been over reported on, and anyone in posession of them would have long since got rid of them, even if they are trophies. I believe only infomation that the public needs to know, for our own safety, or a description of the suspect along with cctv and appeals for witnesses should be handed to the media, everything else should be kept secret to prevent the criminal from obtaining too much info. This kind of report could well lead to a guity man leaving the Bristol area knowing he will be DNA tested, they can't test every man in the country! Also, everyone's looking for a male killer, what if it is a female? or if there is more than one person involved?
And the killer of course has to be male? fine DNA test all men in Bristol what if they aren't from Bristol?
Test all men in the Bristol Area??? No sexual motive??? Could this be a female killer?? Do the Police know it is not??
Who's saying DNA samples are going onto a database. They take the swab, test it, no match, throw it away - end of. Several hundred pounds each? Get a grip. You say you believe it simply because a Police officer told you so. The Police aren't telling us half the things they know about this story. It took them a week after finding her to tell us she was missing a sock. They have mass DNA tested before which has led to a conviction. Once they have hard evidence to suggest that the killer(s) are from Bristol, every DNA test complete moves them closer to yet another conviction. Wherever the killer is, and whoever he is - I bet they're keeping a close eye on every media outlet relevant to this case and If I were them I'd be really starting to panic. Hand yourself in before you get hunted down.
So the police know that a man committed the murder. What evidence do they have?
There are supposed to be 500 registered sex offenders in the area she was killed, they will all be on the DNA database test them first. Then test against all the local criminals of Bristol using relational analysis as well. Then test all those people with mobile phones that triggered cell masts in the area. You'll get the person. As for this politician all give my sample if she'll give hers.
In this world and in this time EVERYONE should be DNA tested including visitors to these shores. All our other details are on file anyway with HMRC and it is stupid that our DNA records aren't on file and immediately accessible.
Would everyone stop for a moment and simply think through the actual practicalities here. Even if 99% of the stated 250,000 male population of the area stepped forward and said yes, fine, that still leaves 1% or 2,500 people who would need to be traced and interviewed. Bear in mind also that even if they were then interviewed and accounted for their movements around the time of the murder then that "alibi" would need to be checked and confirmed. How much valuable time and effort would all that interviewing and checking take away from the real enquiry. And what about the single males who did nothing more than sat quitely at home watching TV that night. Does no corroboration of that "alibi" mean they are then a suspect ? Finally, all this assumes that Council tax and Electoral Rolls are bang up to date. Why not simply let the experienced Detectives do their job. Grandstanding like this must be an upseting distraction for the family
To those asking why the police seemed to have ruled out that a woman could have done it: well, if they want to take DNA samples, they must already have DNA of the culprit to test it against...and that will have told them the gender.
Surely if the murderer can read/hear/watch media outlets he would hear this story and get out of Bristol...
Scary,very very scary
I would not be happy to give a DNA sample like this. I don't feel it's fair that someone should have to rule themselves out of an investigation, like they could be guilty. And as said in the comments above, I don't think the police would destroy the samples when I was found innocent.
What's to say the killer even lives in Bristol or any near to that area? He could come from another country for all the police know.
What a shame statsi police tactics (undoubtedly a hallmark of 13 years of Nu Liebour) have become a source of suspicion for Joe Public. In the absence of remnants of these control freaks, I'm sure the vast majority would addopt the attitude....'if you are innocent, you have nothing to hide'. But periods of left wing control have always produced the opposite desired effect.
Definitely agree with D.NA. test. Any thing that will catch this killer quickly and protect other women is a good thing. I should think the odds are heavily weighted towards a male suspect and they should be tested first. When women can't go about their daily life, and they are frightened in their own community then it should be a priority to use this test. Why waste precious time and maybe allow another crime?
T"here should be a national DataBase of DNA kept. All males reaching the age of say 18, should as a matter of course supply a DNA sample. Those that say its goes against civils liberties should get real and take their heads out of their bottoms. If you have nothing to hide why hide it in the first instance. Cost, and logistics would no doubt deny it from happening, but one day it will happen - Selwyn Edwards, Wrexham, North Wales, 09/1/2011 15:12" Why stop at that. Why not have everyone- male and female- fitted with a tracking device so that their whereabouts can be immediately established in the event of any crime being committed. If you have nothing to hide why hide your whereabouts in the first instance..... But of course most reasonable people would quite rightly object to living in such a police state- thankfully!
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked. - jessie, scotland, 09/1/2011 15:18 Definately a man then is it?
To all the people asking stupidly; "Why assume it is a male they are looking for!"... Do you honestly think, the police have released every single detail of the murder to the press? Well do you? What forensic evidence do you think they have, that would suspect a male??? Now go back to watching Poirot, or Miss Marple, and leave the Policing to the Police.
blackburn murder in the 50`s of a young baby ... every male was fingerprinted...result... the murderer was caught.......DO IT ..DNa all males in bristol...
How long is it going to take to check the DNA of everybody in Bristol, it shouldn't be just men. A badly thought through idea from someone trying to get publicity.
@Selwyn Edwards, You need to smell the coffee! The UK has already become a Big Brother society and once everyone's DNA is on record, the police farce & Government can use it for anything they like. And anyone who thinks they wouldn't is a fool.
This is ridiculous! Using up so many resources on one murder. Given time relevant information will turn up which can then be followed. Re the DNA , this cannot be justified, taking up valuable police time is wrong as is taking DNA from every man in Bristol. Human rights should be against the taking on D.N.A. on all the men in a town or city.
What if the murderer isn't from or in Bristol? Is not from or even any longer in Britain? And perhaps, not even male? I'm all for catching the killer, but 2 of these 3 questions are very valid, and make the testing worthless......Sorry.
There's only one thing more stupid than an MP - that's right, a Labour MP. Who decided that the the perpetrator was a man? And that he lives in Bristol?
Um, no. No, no, no. Because frankly, (a) there''s no probable cause, (b) this is not a reasonable request, (c) the killer may have been a woman!, (d) the killer may have just been passing through the area, (e) I don't trust the police to not discard the samples immediately after testing, and (f) I especially don't trust them if they announce they're going to keep such samples. My heart goes out to the family, but this is an unreasonable, ridiculous request.
The UK has around 2 murders per day on average. Why does the murder of one pretty 25 year old woman provoke calls for every man in Bristol to be DNA tested? Is her life more valuable than other victims or is this just some opportunistic MP pandering to local popularism? Steven Quas , Hamburg
Initially I think all friends and relations should be tested
Good grief Janey of Bristol, what on earth are you suggesting/ Maybe we should all have numbers sewn into the skin too like the Nazis did? Your comments literally disgust and astound me.
How many times has it emerged that a body dumped in the middle of nowhere was put there by a woman? I cannot think of one single case. - janey, Bristol, 9/1/2011 13:45 Myra Hindley.
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked. - jessie, scotland, 09/1/2011 15:18 well suppose it isnt any on in th area...or maybe an illegal migrant...or someone who has left the country?how do you know it is a man...or maybe someone under age? the record of loss of personal data by the authorities is scandalous and rthey would use this opportunity to gather even more that would be kept on file. the police keep details of people who report crimes which is wrong. so the answer is definately no...its just lazy policework...and dna doesnt necessarily work as a science anyway... on the other hand maybe its a Scot...so perhaps you would like to be the first to volunteer?
So, it's definitely a man that killed her then? Or should DNA samples of all Bristol WOMEN be taken also?
Sorry I know I posted just now, but a mass DNA swab like this of 250,000 people, even if one of those people was guilty, that's 249,999 innocent people they have the DNA of. You can guarantee it wouldn't be destroyed afterwards.
Statistically men are far more likely to carry out murders, I remember a debate with a friend who reckoned all men should have their DNA on the database from birth. Anyway, it doesn't matter the government is shutting down the Forensic Science Service, the only company with the capacity to do such large scale testing. Enjoy your freedom criminals, the ConDems don't care.
People are really concerned when something like this happens, and normally will offer to do anythng they can to help.......unless it slightly invades their privacy. Why should you be concerned about having your DNA and fingerprints on a register if you have nothing to fear?? A national database like that would help to catch criminals quicker, prevent police wasting man hours endlessly searching for clues to the criminal(s) and hopefully stop police arresting the wrong person and ruining their reputations (in the example of alleged rape or other wrongly accused sex offences). It's pathetic people whining about 'invasion of privacy' and their 'rights' in this matter - what about Jo Yeates' rights??
I really don't understand why people who are in favour of a national dna database are all being red arrowed. Surely, if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't be worried!! I for one am all for it!!! Now red arrow me, too!
What if he doesn't reside in Bristol? What if it is not a man? Sounds expensive and another innocent quarter million archived by the police?
Men may have been willing to be DNA tested in their thousands back in 1996, before the government decided to swell the DNA database by any means, fair or foul. Back then, there was no reason to suppose it was anything but an elimination exercise and anything irrelevant would ultimately be destroyed (was it?). Today we are understandably suspicious about a call for mass DNA testing and how these samples will be treated after this case is closed. Back in 1996, the killer was found because he evaded the DNA testing. In 2011, many more will "evade" a DNA test on grounds of distrust, and the killer (if he lives in Bristol and is called for a test) will be able to hide among a crowd of perhaps thousands. This is the inevitable result of government/police treatment of the innocent public over the years. A sad state of affairs. If you do not draw a line between the innocent and guilty, it becomes impossible to separate them.
Silly. So what if she was killed by a woman? - Ola, Lagos, 9/1/2011 11:02 If they want a DNA sample from people I imagine they must have found some (Male) DNA to compare it to! Otherwise, what would be the point in collecting the DNA?
Here is another proposal: Let's DNA all male babies at birth and neuter them before puberty.
Only an opinion, but pizza and cider seem more likely to be bought for a visiting female friend rather than a male. - Sash, North country, 10/1/2011 0:37 Interesting that you say that. I actually felt the opposite. And as a previous article said, she texted an old male friend an invitation to join her for a drink before she bought them, so I am guessing she purchased them anticipating that he might.
If the newspapers keep reporting what the police are doing, then the killer/s will also be aware so what's to stop them from moving to another area to avoid having their DNA checked in Bristol?
Firstly, I don't think it's legal to force people to give DNA and secondly, I don't think the police farce And/or Big Brother could be trusted to destroy those records afterwards. I've left the UK, so won't be affected but despite my being the most law abiding person in the world, I sure as hell wouldn't be prepared to give my DNA without a legal fight. I feel terribly sorry for Jo & her family but an enforced DNA database is definitely NOT the way to go and the idiot MP should know that....... but of course, he's one of the Big Brothers that RULE the British people, isn't he!
That is a hopeless and an outrageous ask from the Met. And they will sure keep those DNA record till the end of time! If their ask was generally logical I would surely believe that everyone in the UK must have his/her DNA stored in the Met's record by now. Bristol police you gotta think again for God's sake.
A single DNA test is expensive- several hundred pounds each(I have heard this from the horse's mouth, a police officer when I myself was the victim of a crime and DNA tests were required.) To swab potentially 250,000 people would cost many millions of pounds and may not, as has been suggested, end the hunt for the killer, thereby not saving money, if the killer is not caught through this method(e.g. they live outside of the Bristol area.) If the person responsible isn't caught, then the investigation would continue, costing even more than it would have done if the swabs hadn't been taken.
Mcheecha spain Yes i agree, but unfortunately the minority of people would like to be able to achieve underhand behaviour, so for them and for them only, we live in a PC World (well the UK anyway!!) and we must cowtow, appease and make sure they are very very happy!!! I know this may sound topsy turvey to you, but trust me, to me also!!!
Imagine if they actually did this, imagine the cost of the whole task. you would have to swab test everyone in the uk once everyone else got on the bandwaggon for other crimes commited over the country, a 10yr old could have came up with this idea its absoloutley pathetic, I can't believe an MP could even ask such a mamouth task, and for those that think its a good Idea ! then go and pay to put yourselves on the database. This country is in enough Debt as it is without finding us more !!!!!!!!!
How can people be angry at this? Every single man that does not want to give a swab either has something to hide or is plain ridiculous. You all know if it were you daughter, you would want every man in the country to be checked.
I used to think if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear but there are so many people that are innocent and found guilty now a days that I dont trust anything the police say anymore, they would wrangle any cock and bull story just to get a conviction and there is very little the innocent person can do about it until maybe years later when all the with held evidence then comes out and proves them innocent. The best thing is to have no communication with the police what so ever unless a solicitor is present, and if they ask for DNA evidence only give it if you have a solicitor draw up a contract that it is too be destroyed as soon as the DNA evidence clears your name, otherwise you may find yourself being accused of robbing a shop that you had previously been shopping in several years later.
I may have missed something here but why do they assume it's a man?
There should be a national DataBase of DNA kept. All males reaching the age of say 18, should as a matter of course supply a DNA sample. Those that say its goes against civils liberties should get real and take their heads out of their bottoms. If you have nothing to hide why hide it in the first instance. Cost, and logistics would no doubt deny it from happening, but one day it will happen
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